Aggression, fascism, strategy and logic - discussion from previous LS site. Why, and when, should we support the US overthrow of fascist regimes?
Chomsky: drowning not waving...The US ruling-elite forgot how to install puppets, is the stunning conclusion we are asked to draw from an interview by znet with Noam Chomsky given on 27/12/05. patrickm discusses the interview - their differences are that Chomsky believes the USA just wanted to install puppets in Iraq, while patrickm thinks that they are real 'bourgeios democrats'. That is to say, the politicians of Iraq are as free as the politicians of the USA, Australia, or any other western liberal-capitalist society.
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"The US ruling-elite forgot how to install puppets, is the stunning conclusion we are asked to draw from the following interview with Noam Chomsky given on 27/12/05".
patrickm discusses an interview that Noam Chomsky gave to znet in December 2005. Their differences are that Chomsky believes the USA just wanted to install puppets in Iraq, while patrickm thinks that they are real 'bourgeios democrats'.
That is to say, the politicians of Iraq are as free as the politicians of the USA, Australia, or any other western liberal-capitalist society.
Figures from Iraq elections demonstrate that people the USA does NOT support are being elected.
But Chomsky claims that the 'apparent' will of the people is for US troops to leave. Since the Iraqi government has not asked them to leave, Chomsky thinks that demonstrates they are puppets.
This means that leftists in the West should feel free to ignore them, instead of helping them.
patrickm goes on to discuss the difference between the Vietnam war and the Iraq war.
A long debate ensues from there - lots to keep you reading.
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